Not too long ago, I was perusing the Q&A section on my LinkedIn profile, and saw a question posted in one of the groups I belong to about selling a book to publishers. The person who posted the question was basically asking if he/she needed to include foul language and sex in the story being considered; apparently, an agent had told this person that the work wouldn’t sell without it, and this person was resisting the idea. A discussion quickly followed, with arguments for and against this agent’s alleged statement.
This is a pretty relevant topic, and one that writers have a tendency to revisit often, since social mores bend and sway in the winds of culture fairly regularly. Like so many questions, the correct answer is “It depends.” However, the question, as it was posed in the LinkedIn forum, had more of a marketing focus. Like many of you, the very mention of marketing tends to cause my gorge to rise and my sneer reflex to kick in, so let’s move our focus to the story side of things.
When should you put sex, violence and profanity in your story? Well, if your story is set in a brothel frequented by the Mob, I suggest you’re going to be using all three with great frequency. If your story is set among preteens in an Amish community, you can get away with a bit less. The point is, however, that the story and characters should dictate how much of all three you use, and only the story and characters. If an editor or publisher tells you to throw in some more sex or profanity, your first response should be “Why?” It could be a case of misjudging the market, or a case of you censoring yourself. If it’s the former, find a different market. If it’s the latter, maybe you need to rethink your approach, because your discomfort will not serve the work if it prevents you from honestly portraying how your characters speak and act.
When I was writing my NaNoWriMo novel last year, I was about a hundred pages into it when I realized there was about to be a sex scene. This was surprising, and since I had never written one before, a little troubling. Profanity and violence, no problem; those had been featured prominently in my stories since almost the first time I put pen to paper. Yes, I was that kind of kid. However, I had never had need of sex in my stories before, so I had never bothered. I contemplated eliding over the scene, pulling a North by Northwest to get around it (The train goes in the tunnel! Symbolism alert!) or just ignoring it altogether. After I thought about it, though, I realized it was organic to the story, and was needed to set up a later section. Thus, I ended up writing my first sex scene, and it didn’t turn out too bad. That doesn’t mean it was good, but when I re-read it later, it managed to avoid the “bom-chicka-wow-wow” vibe I was leery of falling in.
Damn, I had a point here somewhere. Oh, yeah: the point is, if the story requires sex or violence or dirty words, you as an artist should go ahead and put it in, even if you yourself are personally uncomfortable with it. That discomfort, if used properly, can help set the tone or underline your themes, but the most important aspect is to be true to the work. This goes both ways: if your character is a strict Christian who takes the Ten Commandments very seriously, he or she better not say “Goddamn” without an excellent plot-related or character-related reason. A light comic novel about two OCD sufferers falling in love probably doesn’t need two guys squaring off with chainsaws.
Potentially objectionable material, by its nature, is powerful narrative stuff, and needs to be used smartly and well. That means using it when the story cries out for it, avoiding it where it doesn’t belong, and ignoring the objections of readers who curl up into a little ball if someone describes a naked body part, says something impolite or punches somebody—and this is the important part—without viewing it in context. If it doesn’t work, ditch it. If it does, put it in play. When it comes to the trifecta of “bad things” in a story, nothing else matters.
Comments & Discussion
i think writers (as artists) need to be fearless in exploring various stories. we need to be willing to sink into whatever recesses we need to, experience (vicariously) whatever vice or abnormal mindset we need to, in order to tell a truthful story. emotional truth is the vital communication across all forms of art. ugly and beautiful, both. deciding how far to go is always gonna be a judgement question--you gave some hilariously apt examples--but we can't limit ourselves to what we think most people would be comfortable reading. my two cents.
great post--thanks!
I agree: if Story requires it, She gets it. However, this raised an eyebrow for me:
When should you put sex, violence and profanity in your story? Well, if your story is set in a brothel frequented by the Mob, I suggest you’re going to be using all three with great frequency
You would be surprised how decorously such establishments are run. The girls are the product, right? The johns are the customers. The chaps running the place have guns. This would make a for an extremely polite establishment. The point is to keep business going. Sex and violence wouldn't be the themes in such a place. It would all be "keep the peace and do your business". Sex is the background, not the foreground, unless you're writing porn.
Much of crime is profoundly boring to the people doing it. They've done it before, hundreds of times.
And I very much dispute this:
if the story requires sex or violence or dirty words, you as an artist should go ahead and put it in, even if you yourself are personally uncomfortable with it. That discomfort, if used properly, can help set the tone or underline your themes, but the most important aspect is to be true to the work.
Well, not the "be true to the work" bit, but the first part about discomfort. If you are in discomfort about something, then you are fighting your Story. You cannot be true to your Story in a state of discomfort. If you feel discomforted by the prospect of writing a sex scene, but you think your story requires you to write one, then you are suffering a failure of imagination. Goddess Story is telling you that this is not the way she wants you to work.
It is not the sex scene that is important: something else has to happen, something that is true to Her, working through you.
I mean, every other day there's a new nun on The Bold and The Beautiful.
/Amirite?
//Ksssh. DietCoke.
@Laos: While I agree with your implied point that there is more than one way to skin that particular cat (and heaven knows that more imagination in storytelling is usually a good thing), my overall thesis is that if the plot or characters require the things mentioned in the post, then you should go ahead and put it in, regardless of your own personal views. Coming up with an imaginative way around it may be creative, but that very impulse strikes me as being dishonest, and generally means the story is being altered to fit a set of objectives other than what the story requires. Now, if the story doesn't require it, or being allusive better fits the story, that's excellent reason not to include such material. Your point about the Mob brothel is well-taken, though I can think of arguments and plot reasons why it might not be so. As far as discomfort goes, it can be a very useful tool when wielded carefully, especially if you're looking to make a larger point or your characters are acting in ways they might not normally. Still, I understand where you're coming from. Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully; it's that kind of discussion that makes these posts useful.
A light comic novel about two OCD sufferers falling in love probably doesn’t need two guys squaring off with chainsaws.
I don't know, that sounds pretty comic to me.
"Oh damn it all, now there's blood on my chainsaw! I have to wash this off NOW!"
"You think you have it bad? I'm all off-center now that you lopped off my right arm. Goddamn it!"
If your story is set among preteens in an Amish community, you can get away with a bit less.
Because of the prevalence of "sex, violence, and profanity" it is difficult to convince readers of the innocence of someone raised in a small town Amish/Mennonite community in the 1940s.
Oh, yeah: the point is, if the story requires sex or violence or dirty words, you as an artist should go ahead and put it in, even if you yourself are personally uncomfortable with it.
I disagree with you so much i almost want to shoot my own foot off to stop myself from talking, considering a large assembly of crazed yowls would be less offensive than my actual thoughts.
you should never do something you're uncomfortable with. Including, and especially in a story. A story is a work of art, and the ebbe and flow of it, though some may tell you otherwise, is a one-shot deal. Sure, you can edit it. you can edit it as many times as you want, you can run it through a pallot of british geniuses, and have them point of a perfectly worded result, but the result will never be as true to you as what you originally wrote, the reason being, that what you write first is usually what you want.
you might have to go back and reword it to be satisfied, but the wholesale throwing in of dirty words and violence for their own sake is a travesty.
I write horror, and my work is the downright nastiest, filthiest, curse filled, sexed up crap you could possibly imbibe. But that stems from a tendency to want to detail a story in great detail, and unfortunately, horror needs it. (though my novel showcases none of this)
If someone is telling you to write something you don't feel comfortable with, and you're actually listening, then you need to take a step back and ask yourself if this is the kind of person you want to be working with, and whether or not what they're asking for will be worth it in the long run, or will ease with time.
Thanks for your article.
For example, suppose I was someone who was REALLY uncomfortable writing about gay PDA. (I'm not, for the record.) When I wrote certain scenes of Shades, I might be tempted to say to myself, "oh, I really don't want to show them kissing or anything... let's leave that up to the reader's imagination." I think we can agree that wouldn't be terribly good for the story.
Brandon's point is that in such a situation, the writer ought to fight against staying in his/her comfort zone in order to write the story correctly.
If an editor said, "I love your story but there's just not enough gay sex in it for me," I think I would direct said editor to various adult sites on the Internet to meet his/her needs rather than changing the story.
@ Stewart: ROFL!!!! Any more Monk outtakes you'd like to share?
That means that sex and violence are pretty much the daily fare.
A matter-of-fact attitude has nothing to do with fictional language. Butchering for food and breeding livestock is not the "sex and violence" found in fiction. It's an accepted part of daily life, about which one does not use profanity.
Upon greeting a new cow, they say, "It's nice to meat you."
Thanks for broaching the subject. I've found that I am having a more difficult time actually writing the sex stuff in to the story. The story line and the characters call for it but I am squeamish about writing it. Anyone else suffered this quandry? Squeamish in the sense that I tend to write in graphic detail and I don't want it to come across as smut or cheap pornography. I'm not looking for pratfalls, or laughs from potty humor and that's how some of the sex scenes in modern literature comes across. Contrived, staged and not really necessarry to the story line (at the time)
i'm no expert on love scenes, but i've read my share--if you like, i'm happy to read what you have and give you my opinion.
Thanks for the offer. I will take you up on it. In the context of the entire story I, personally, feel good about the mix and mesh. The graphic nature of it is what disturbs me. Akin to the graphic description of violence. I want the right mix. I don't want gratuitious ANYTHING in my writings. I want a nice, gentle, sublte, flow. I want the graphic moments to creep up on the reader and then capitolize on the shock value of the moment. The reader, scratching their head, taking a deep breath and saying to themself, "WOW! I didn't see that coming!" I have a moral dilema about all this and that is my road block. I can write it. And, I think it is good. But, I have a hard time releasing it to others.

